diff --git a/lib/device/device.h b/lib/device/device.h
index 9e471a9b5..8c3a8c30e 100644
--- a/lib/device/device.h
+++ b/lib/device/device.h
@@ -40,6 +40,7 @@
 #define DEV_IS_NVME		0x00040000	/* set if dev is nvme */
 #define DEV_MATCHED_USE_ID	0x00080000	/* matched an entry from cmd->use_devices */
 #define DEV_SCAN_FOUND_NOLABEL	0x00100000	/* label_scan read, passed filters, but no lvm label */
+#define DEV_SCAN_NOT_READ	0x00200000	/* label_scan not able to read dev */
 
 /*
  * Support for external device info.
diff --git a/lib/device/device_id.c b/lib/device/device_id.c
index 4618247ba..003f10a96 100644
--- a/lib/device/device_id.c
+++ b/lib/device/device_id.c
@@ -1746,6 +1746,13 @@ void device_ids_validate(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct dm_list *scanned_devs,
 		if (scanned_devs && !dev_in_device_list(dev, scanned_devs))
 			continue;
 
+		/*
+		 * The matched device could not be read so we do not have
+		 * the PVID from disk and cannot verify the devices file entry.
+		 */
+		if (dev->flags & DEV_SCAN_NOT_READ)
+			continue;
+
 		/*
 		 * du and dev may have been matched, but the dev could still
 		 * have been excluded by other filters during label scan.
@@ -1828,6 +1835,13 @@ void device_ids_validate(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct dm_list *scanned_devs,
 		if (scanned_devs && !dev_in_device_list(dev, scanned_devs))
 			continue;
 
+		/*
+		 * The matched device could not be read so we do not have
+		 * the PVID from disk and cannot verify the devices file entry.
+		 */
+		if (dev->flags & DEV_SCAN_NOT_READ)
+			continue;
+
 		if (!cmd->filter->passes_filter(cmd, cmd->filter, dev, "persistent")) {
 			log_warn("Devices file %s is excluded by filter: %s.",
 				 dev_name(dev), dev_filtered_reason(dev));
diff --git a/lib/label/hints.c b/lib/label/hints.c
index 93dfdd5c1..35ae7f5cc 100644
--- a/lib/label/hints.c
+++ b/lib/label/hints.c
@@ -236,6 +236,7 @@ static int _touch_newhints(void)
 		return_0;
 	if (fclose(fp))
 		stack;
+	log_debug("newhints created");
 	return 1;
 }
 
@@ -506,6 +507,19 @@ int validate_hints(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct dm_list *hints)
 		if (!hint->chosen)
 			continue;
 
+		/* 
+		 * label_scan was unable to read the dev so we don't know its pvid.
+		 * Since we are unable to verify the hint is correct, it's possible
+		 * that the PVID is actually found on a different device, so don't
+		 * depend on hints. (This would also fail the following pvid check.)
+		 */
+		if (dev->flags & DEV_SCAN_NOT_READ) {
+			log_debug("Uncertain hint for unread device %d:%d %s",
+				  major(hint->devt), minor(hint->devt), dev_name(dev));
+			ret = 0;
+			continue;
+		}
+
 		if (strcmp(dev->pvid, hint->pvid)) {
 			log_debug("Invalid hint device %d:%d %s pvid %s had hint pvid %s",
 				  major(hint->devt), minor(hint->devt), dev_name(dev),
diff --git a/lib/label/label.c b/lib/label/label.c
index 5c77a6923..4f29d6208 100644
--- a/lib/label/label.c
+++ b/lib/label/label.c
@@ -687,6 +687,8 @@ static int _scan_list(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct dev_filter *f,
 
 	dm_list_iterate_items_safe(devl, devl2, devs) {
 
+		devl->dev->flags &= ~DEV_SCAN_NOT_READ;
+
 		/*
 		 * If we prefetch more devs than blocks in the cache, then the
 		 * cache will wait for earlier reads to complete, toss the
@@ -702,6 +704,7 @@ static int _scan_list(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct dev_filter *f,
 				log_debug_devs("Scan failed to open %s.", dev_name(devl->dev));
 				dm_list_del(&devl->list);
 				dm_list_add(&reopen_devs, &devl->list);
+				devl->dev->flags |= DEV_SCAN_NOT_READ;
 				continue;
 			}
 		}
@@ -725,6 +728,7 @@ static int _scan_list(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct dev_filter *f,
 			log_debug_devs("Scan failed to read %s.", dev_name(devl->dev));
 			scan_read_errors++;
 			scan_failed_count++;
+			devl->dev->flags |= DEV_SCAN_NOT_READ;
 			lvmcache_del_dev(devl->dev);
 			if (bb)
 				bcache_put(bb);
@@ -1389,6 +1393,10 @@ int label_scan(struct cmd_context *cmd)
 	 * filter", and this result needs to be cleared (wiped) so that the
 	 * complete set of filters (including those that require data) can be
 	 * checked in _process_block, where headers have been read.
+	 *
+	 * FIXME: devs that are filtered with data in _process_block
+	 * are not moved to the filtered_devs list like devs filtered
+	 * here without data.  Does that have any effect?
 	 */
 	log_debug_devs("Filtering devices to scan (nodata)");