diff --git a/WHATS_NEW b/WHATS_NEW
index 921eeed9e..dd0330e7d 100644
--- a/WHATS_NEW
+++ b/WHATS_NEW
@@ -1,5 +1,6 @@
 Version 2.02.34 -
 ===================================
+  Divide up internal orphan volume group by format type.
   Update usage message for clvmd.
   Fix clvmd man page printing <br>, clarified debug options.
   Fix lvresize to support /dev/mapper prefix in the lvname
diff --git a/lib/cache/lvmcache.c b/lib/cache/lvmcache.c
index 3bb7b63e7..5fbad184c 100644
--- a/lib/cache/lvmcache.c
+++ b/lib/cache/lvmcache.c
@@ -208,9 +208,6 @@ const char *vgname_from_vgid(struct dm_pool *mem, const char *vgid)
 	struct lvmcache_vginfo *vginfo;
 	const char *vgname = NULL;
 
-	if (!*vgid)
-		vgname = ORPHAN;
-
 	if ((vginfo = vginfo_from_vgid(vgid)))
 		vgname = vginfo->vgname;
 
@@ -530,8 +527,10 @@ static int _lvmcache_update_vgid(struct lvmcache_info *info, const char *vgid)
 		return 0;
 	}
 
-	log_debug("lvmcache: %s: setting %s VGID to %s", dev_name(info->dev),
-		  info->vginfo->vgname, info->vginfo->vgid);
+	if (!is_orphan_vg(info->vginfo->vgname))
+		log_debug("lvmcache: %s: setting %s VGID to %s",
+			  dev_name(info->dev), info->vginfo->vgname,
+			  info->vginfo->vgid);
 
 	return 1;
 }
@@ -627,15 +626,6 @@ static int _lvmcache_update_vgname(struct lvmcache_info *info,
 	struct lvmcache_vginfo *vginfo, *primary_vginfo;
 	// struct lvmcache_vginfo  *old_vginfo, *next;
 
-	/* If vgname is NULL and we don't already have a vgname,
-	 * assume ORPHAN - we want every entry to have a vginfo
-	 * attached for scanning reasons.
-	 */
-	if (!vgname && !info->vginfo) {
-		vgname = ORPHAN;
-		vgid = ORPHAN;
-	}
-
 	if (!vgname || (info->vginfo && !strcmp(info->vginfo->vgname, vgname)))
 		return 1;
 
@@ -716,9 +706,8 @@ static int _lvmcache_update_vgname(struct lvmcache_info *info,
 	/* FIXME Check consistency of list! */
 	vginfo->fmt = info->fmt;
 
-	log_debug("lvmcache: %s: now %s%s%s%s%s", dev_name(info->dev),
-		  !is_orphan_vg(vgname) ? "in VG " : "orphaned", vgname,
-		  vginfo->vgid[0] ? " (" : "",
+	log_debug("lvmcache: %s: now in VG %s%s%s%s", dev_name(info->dev),
+		  vgname, vginfo->vgid[0] ? " (" : "",
 		  vginfo->vgid[0] ? vginfo->vgid : "",
 		  vginfo->vgid[0] ? ")" : "");
 
@@ -764,6 +753,12 @@ int lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(struct lvmcache_info *info,
 				  const char *vgname, const char *vgid,
 				  uint32_t vgstatus, const char *creation_host)
 {
+	if (!vgname && !info->vginfo) {
+		log_error("Internal error: NULL vgname handed to cache");
+		/* FIXME Remove this */
+		vgname = info->fmt->orphan_vg_name;
+		vgid = vgname;
+	}
 	if (!_lvmcache_update_vgname(info, vgname, vgid, vgstatus,
 				     creation_host) ||
 	    !_lvmcache_update_vgid(info, vgid) ||
diff --git a/lib/cache/lvmcache.h b/lib/cache/lvmcache.h
index bdda2f0a4..3be620ab4 100644
--- a/lib/cache/lvmcache.h
+++ b/lib/cache/lvmcache.h
@@ -20,7 +20,8 @@
 #include "uuid.h"
 #include "label.h"
 
-#define ORPHAN ""
+#define ORPHAN_PREFIX "#"
+#define ORPHAN_VG_NAME(fmt) ORPHAN_PREFIX "orphans_" fmt
 
 #define CACHE_INVALID	0x00000001
 #define CACHE_LOCKED	0x00000002
diff --git a/lib/display/display.c b/lib/display/display.c
index 9e5751a53..90e9b6854 100644
--- a/lib/display/display.c
+++ b/lib/display/display.c
@@ -307,7 +307,8 @@ void pvdisplay_full(const struct cmd_context *cmd,
 
 	log_print("--- %sPhysical volume ---", pv->pe_size ? "" : "NEW ");
 	log_print("PV Name               %s", pv_dev_name(pv));
-	log_print("VG Name               %s%s", pv->vg_name,
+	log_print("VG Name               %s%s",
+		  is_orphan(pv) ? "" : pv->vg_name,
 		  pv->status & EXPORTED_VG ? " (exported)" : "");
 
 	data_size = (uint64_t) pv->pe_count * pv->pe_size;
diff --git a/lib/format1/disk-rep.c b/lib/format1/disk-rep.c
index 9db2cf35b..2379cf2d9 100644
--- a/lib/format1/disk-rep.c
+++ b/lib/format1/disk-rep.c
@@ -326,10 +326,11 @@ static void __update_lvmcache(const struct format_type *fmt,
 			      unsigned exported)
 {
 	struct lvmcache_info *info;
+	const char *vgname = *((char *)dl->pvd.vg_name) ?
+			     (char *)dl->pvd.vg_name : fmt->orphan_vg_name;
 
 	if (!(info = lvmcache_add(fmt->labeller, (char *)dl->pvd.pv_uuid, dev,
-				  (char *)dl->pvd.vg_name, vgid,
-				  exported ? EXPORTED_VG : 0))) {
+				  vgname, vgid, exported ? EXPORTED_VG : 0))) {
 		stack;
 		return;
 	}
@@ -363,20 +364,20 @@ static struct disk_list *__read_disk(const struct format_type *fmt,
 	if (!*dl->pvd.vg_name) {
 		log_very_verbose("%s is not a member of any format1 VG", name);
 
-		__update_lvmcache(fmt, dl, dev, NULL, 0);
+		__update_lvmcache(fmt, dl, dev, fmt->orphan_vg_name, 0);
 		return (vg_name) ? NULL : dl;
 	}
 
 	if (!read_vgd(dl->dev, &dl->vgd, &dl->pvd)) {
 		log_error("Failed to read VG data from PV (%s)", name);
-		__update_lvmcache(fmt, dl, dev, NULL, 0);
+		__update_lvmcache(fmt, dl, dev, fmt->orphan_vg_name, 0);
 		goto bad;
 	}
 
 	if (vg_name && strcmp(vg_name, (char *)dl->pvd.vg_name)) {
 		log_very_verbose("%s is not a member of the VG %s",
 				 name, vg_name);
-		__update_lvmcache(fmt, dl, dev, NULL, 0);
+		__update_lvmcache(fmt, dl, dev, fmt->orphan_vg_name, 0);
 		goto bad;
 	}
 
diff --git a/lib/format1/format1.c b/lib/format1/format1.c
index 5e3f24fe5..4db74f0e4 100644
--- a/lib/format1/format1.c
+++ b/lib/format1/format1.c
@@ -18,13 +18,10 @@
 #include "limits.h"
 #include "display.h"
 #include "toolcontext.h"
-#include "lvmcache.h"
 #include "lvm1-label.h"
 #include "format1.h"
 #include "segtype.h"
 
-#define FMT_LVM1_NAME "lvm1"
-
 /* VG consistency checks */
 static int _check_vgs(struct list *pvs, int *partial)
 {
@@ -523,6 +520,7 @@ struct format_type *init_format(struct cmd_context *cmd)
 	fmt->ops = &_format1_ops;
 	fmt->name = FMT_LVM1_NAME;
 	fmt->alias = NULL;
+	fmt->orphan_vg_name = FMT_LVM1_ORPHAN_VG_NAME;
 	fmt->features = FMT_RESTRICTED_LVIDS | FMT_ORPHAN_ALLOCATABLE |
 			FMT_RESTRICTED_READAHEAD;
 	fmt->private = NULL;
diff --git a/lib/format1/format1.h b/lib/format1/format1.h
index 4a3c12a9f..c76ba6200 100644
--- a/lib/format1/format1.h
+++ b/lib/format1/format1.h
@@ -17,6 +17,10 @@
 #define _LVM_FORMAT1_H
 
 #include "metadata.h"
+#include "lvmcache.h"
+
+#define FMT_LVM1_NAME "lvm1"
+#define FMT_LVM1_ORPHAN_VG_NAME ORPHAN_VG_NAME(FMT_LVM1_NAME)
 
 #ifdef LVM1_INTERNAL
 struct format_type *init_lvm1_format(struct cmd_context *cmd);
diff --git a/lib/format1/import-export.c b/lib/format1/import-export.c
index fc78bbb8a..a0de3628a 100644
--- a/lib/format1/import-export.c
+++ b/lib/format1/import-export.c
@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
 #include "pv_alloc.h"
 #include "display.h"
 #include "lvmcache.h"
+#include "metadata.h"
 
 #include <time.h>
 
@@ -61,7 +62,7 @@ int import_pv(const struct format_type *fmt, struct dm_pool *mem,
 
 	pv->dev = dev;
 	if (!*pvd->vg_name)
-		pv->vg_name = ORPHAN;
+		pv->vg_name = fmt->orphan_vg_name;
 	else if (!(pv->vg_name = dm_pool_strdup(mem, (char *)pvd->vg_name))) {
 		log_error("Volume Group name allocation failed.");
 		return 0;
@@ -147,7 +148,7 @@ int export_pv(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct dm_pool *mem __attribute((unused))
 
 	memcpy(pvd->pv_uuid, pv->id.uuid, ID_LEN);
 
-	if (pv->vg_name) {
+	if (pv->vg_name && !is_orphan(pv)) {
 		if (!_check_vg_name(pv->vg_name))
 			return_0;
 		strncpy((char *)pvd->vg_name, pv->vg_name, sizeof(pvd->vg_name));
diff --git a/lib/format1/lvm1-label.c b/lib/format1/lvm1-label.c
index dd8443d1a..ffd215187 100644
--- a/lib/format1/lvm1-label.c
+++ b/lib/format1/lvm1-label.c
@@ -19,7 +19,7 @@
 #include "label.h"
 #include "metadata.h"
 #include "xlate.h"
-#include "lvmcache.h"
+#include "format1.h"
 
 #include <sys/stat.h>
 #include <fcntl.h>
@@ -60,17 +60,21 @@ static int _lvm1_read(struct labeller *l, struct device *dev, void *buf,
 	struct pv_disk *pvd = (struct pv_disk *) buf;
 	struct vg_disk vgd;
 	struct lvmcache_info *info;
-	const char *vgid = NULL;
+	const char *vgid = FMT_LVM1_ORPHAN_VG_NAME;
+	const char *vgname = FMT_LVM1_ORPHAN_VG_NAME;
 	unsigned exported = 0;
 
 	munge_pvd(dev, pvd);
 
-	if (*pvd->vg_name && read_vgd(dev, &vgd, pvd)) {
+	if (*pvd->vg_name) {
+		if (!read_vgd(dev, &vgd, pvd))
+			return_0;
 		vgid = (char *) vgd.vg_uuid;
+		vgname = (char *) pvd->vg_name;
 		exported = pvd->pv_status & VG_EXPORTED;
 	}
 
-	if (!(info = lvmcache_add(l, (char *)pvd->pv_uuid, dev, (char *)pvd->vg_name, vgid,
+	if (!(info = lvmcache_add(l, (char *)pvd->pv_uuid, dev, vgname, vgid,
 				  exported)))
 		return_0;
 	*label = info->label;
diff --git a/lib/format_pool/format_pool.c b/lib/format_pool/format_pool.c
index 5c09b78cb..9cd8f5d42 100644
--- a/lib/format_pool/format_pool.c
+++ b/lib/format_pool/format_pool.c
@@ -316,6 +316,7 @@ struct format_type *init_format(struct cmd_context *cmd)
 	fmt->ops = &_format_pool_ops;
 	fmt->name = FMT_POOL_NAME;
 	fmt->alias = NULL;
+	fmt->orphan_vg_name = ORPHAN_VG_NAME(FMT_POOL_NAME);
 	fmt->features = 0;
 	fmt->private = NULL;
 
diff --git a/lib/format_text/format-text.c b/lib/format_text/format-text.c
index 2235f0591..4becae206 100644
--- a/lib/format_text/format-text.c
+++ b/lib/format_text/format-text.c
@@ -36,9 +36,6 @@
 #include <dirent.h>
 #include <ctype.h>
 
-#define FMT_TEXT_NAME "lvm2"
-#define FMT_TEXT_ALIAS "text"
-
 static struct mda_header *_raw_read_mda_header(const struct format_type *fmt,
 					       struct device_area *dev_area);
 
@@ -387,7 +384,8 @@ static struct raw_locn *_find_vg_rlocn(struct device_area *dev_area,
 
       bad:
 	if ((info = info_from_pvid(dev_area->dev->pvid, 0)))
-		lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, ORPHAN, ORPHAN, 0, NULL);
+		lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, FMT_TEXT_ORPHAN_VG_NAME,
+					      FMT_TEXT_ORPHAN_VG_NAME, 0, NULL);
 
 	return NULL;
 }
@@ -1293,7 +1291,7 @@ static int _text_pv_write(const struct format_type *fmt, struct physical_volume
 	/* FIXME Test mode don't update cache? */
 
 	if (!(info = lvmcache_add(fmt->labeller, (char *) &pv->id, pv->dev,
-				  ORPHAN, NULL, 0)))
+				  FMT_TEXT_ORPHAN_VG_NAME, NULL, 0)))
 		return_0;
 	label = info->label;
 
@@ -1438,7 +1436,7 @@ static int _text_pv_read(const struct format_type *fmt, const char *pv_name,
 	pv->dev = info->dev;
 	pv->fmt = info->fmt;
 	pv->size = info->device_size >> SECTOR_SHIFT;
-	pv->vg_name = ORPHAN;
+	pv->vg_name = FMT_TEXT_ORPHAN_VG_NAME;
 	memcpy(&pv->id, &info->dev->pvid, sizeof(pv->id));
 
 	/* Currently only support exactly one data area */
@@ -1887,6 +1885,7 @@ struct format_type *create_text_format(struct cmd_context *cmd)
 	fmt->ops = &_text_handler;
 	fmt->name = FMT_TEXT_NAME;
 	fmt->alias = FMT_TEXT_ALIAS;
+	fmt->orphan_vg_name = ORPHAN_VG_NAME(FMT_TEXT_NAME);
 	fmt->features = FMT_SEGMENTS | FMT_MDAS | FMT_TAGS | FMT_PRECOMMIT |
 			FMT_UNLIMITED_VOLS | FMT_RESIZE_PV |
 			FMT_UNLIMITED_STRIPESIZE;
diff --git a/lib/format_text/format-text.h b/lib/format_text/format-text.h
index 9d7f86233..4efcdaa0f 100644
--- a/lib/format_text/format-text.h
+++ b/lib/format_text/format-text.h
@@ -19,6 +19,10 @@
 #include "lvm-types.h"
 #include "metadata.h"
 
+#define FMT_TEXT_NAME "lvm2"
+#define FMT_TEXT_ALIAS "text"
+#define FMT_TEXT_ORPHAN_VG_NAME ORPHAN_VG_NAME(FMT_TEXT_NAME)
+
 /*
  * Archives a vg config.  'retain_days' is the minimum number of
  * days that an archive file must be held for.  'min_archives' is
diff --git a/lib/format_text/text_label.c b/lib/format_text/text_label.c
index 8fa64f648..60550f2b1 100644
--- a/lib/format_text/text_label.c
+++ b/lib/format_text/text_label.c
@@ -207,7 +207,9 @@ static int _text_read(struct labeller *l, struct device *dev, void *buf,
 
 	pvhdr = (struct pv_header *) ((void *) buf + xlate32(lh->offset_xl));
 
-	if (!(info = lvmcache_add(l, (char *)pvhdr->pv_uuid, dev, NULL, NULL, 0)))
+	if (!(info = lvmcache_add(l, (char *)pvhdr->pv_uuid, dev,
+				  FMT_TEXT_ORPHAN_VG_NAME,
+				  FMT_TEXT_ORPHAN_VG_NAME, 0)))
 		return_0;
 	*label = info->label;
 
diff --git a/lib/label/label.c b/lib/label/label.c
index a0608c068..934fe6805 100644
--- a/lib/label/label.c
+++ b/lib/label/label.c
@@ -178,7 +178,8 @@ static struct labeller *_find_labeller(struct device *dev, char *buf,
       out:
 	if (!found) {
 		if ((info = info_from_pvid(dev->pvid, 0)))
-			lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, ORPHAN, ORPHAN,
+			lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, info->fmt->orphan_vg_name,
+						      info->fmt->orphan_vg_name,
 						      0, NULL);
 		log_very_verbose("%s: No label detected", dev_name(dev));
 	}
@@ -275,7 +276,8 @@ int label_read(struct device *dev, struct label **result,
 		stack;
 
 		if ((info = info_from_pvid(dev->pvid, 0)))
-			lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, ORPHAN, ORPHAN,
+			lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, info->fmt->orphan_vg_name,
+						      info->fmt->orphan_vg_name,
 						      0, NULL);
 
 		return r;
@@ -351,7 +353,8 @@ int label_verify(struct device *dev)
 
 	if (!dev_open(dev)) {
 		if ((info = info_from_pvid(dev->pvid, 0)))
-			lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, ORPHAN, ORPHAN,
+			lvmcache_update_vgname_and_id(info, info->fmt->orphan_vg_name,
+						      info->fmt->orphan_vg_name,
 						      0, NULL);
 
 		return_0;
diff --git a/lib/metadata/metadata-exported.h b/lib/metadata/metadata-exported.h
index e7c9741bc..f98c47219 100644
--- a/lib/metadata/metadata-exported.h
+++ b/lib/metadata/metadata-exported.h
@@ -133,6 +133,7 @@ struct format_type {
 	struct labeller *labeller;
 	const char *name;
 	const char *alias;
+	const char *orphan_vg_name;
 	uint32_t features;
 	void *library;
 	void *private;
diff --git a/lib/metadata/metadata.c b/lib/metadata/metadata.c
index bde628ef1..92c282c2e 100644
--- a/lib/metadata/metadata.c
+++ b/lib/metadata/metadata.c
@@ -356,7 +356,7 @@ int vg_remove_single(struct cmd_context *cmd, const char *vg_name,
 		pv = pvl->pv;
 		log_verbose("Removing physical volume \"%s\" from "
 			    "volume group \"%s\"", pv_dev_name(pv), vg_name);
-		pv->vg_name = ORPHAN;
+		pv->vg_name = vg->fid->fmt->orphan_vg_name;
 		pv->status = ALLOCATABLE_PV;
 
 		if (!dev_get_size(pv_dev(pv), &pv->size)) {
@@ -833,6 +833,7 @@ static struct physical_volume *_pv_create(const struct format_type *fmt,
 	}
 
 	pv->fmt = fmt;
+	pv->vg_name = fmt->orphan_vg_name;
 
 	if (!fmt->ops->pv_setup(fmt, pe_start, existing_extent_count,
 				existing_extent_size,
@@ -1324,7 +1325,8 @@ int vg_revert(struct volume_group *vg)
 }
 
 /* Make orphan PVs look like a VG */
-static struct volume_group *_vg_read_orphans(struct cmd_context *cmd)
+static struct volume_group *_vg_read_orphans(struct cmd_context *cmd,
+					     const char *orphan_vgname)
 {
 	struct lvmcache_vginfo *vginfo;
 	struct lvmcache_info *info;
@@ -1332,7 +1334,7 @@ static struct volume_group *_vg_read_orphans(struct cmd_context *cmd)
 	struct volume_group *vg;
 	struct physical_volume *pv;
 
-	if (!(vginfo = vginfo_from_vgname(ORPHAN, NULL)))
+	if (!(vginfo = vginfo_from_vgname(orphan_vgname, NULL)))
 		return_NULL;
 
 	if (!(vg = dm_pool_zalloc(cmd->mem, sizeof(*vg)))) {
@@ -1343,7 +1345,7 @@ static struct volume_group *_vg_read_orphans(struct cmd_context *cmd)
 	list_init(&vg->lvs);
 	list_init(&vg->tags);
 	vg->cmd = cmd;
-	if (!(vg->name = dm_pool_strdup(cmd->mem, ORPHAN))) {
+	if (!(vg->name = dm_pool_strdup(cmd->mem, orphan_vgname))) {
 		log_error("vg name allocation failed");
 		return NULL;
 	}
@@ -1421,7 +1423,7 @@ static struct volume_group *_vg_read(struct cmd_context *cmd,
 			return NULL;
 		}
 		*consistent = 1;
-		return _vg_read_orphans(cmd);
+		return _vg_read_orphans(cmd, vgname);
 	}
 
 	/* Find the vgname in the cache */
@@ -1942,7 +1944,7 @@ int pv_write_orphan(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct physical_volume *pv)
 {
 	const char *old_vg_name = pv->vg_name;
 
-	pv->vg_name = ORPHAN;
+	pv->vg_name = cmd->fmt->orphan_vg_name;
 	pv->status = ALLOCATABLE_PV;
 
 	if (!dev_get_size(pv->dev, &pv->size)) {
@@ -1966,7 +1968,7 @@ int pv_write_orphan(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct physical_volume *pv)
  */
 int is_orphan_vg(const char *vg_name)
 {
-	return (!strcmp(vg_name, ORPHAN) ? 1 : 0);
+	return (vg_name && vg_name[0] == ORPHAN_PREFIX[0]) ? 1 : 0;
 }
 
 /**
diff --git a/lib/report/report.c b/lib/report/report.c
index 7e1b67969..3279ad9fd 100644
--- a/lib/report/report.c
+++ b/lib/report/report.c
@@ -1004,7 +1004,7 @@ static int _copypercent_disp(struct dm_report *rh __attribute((unused)), struct
 
 /* necessary for displaying something for PVs not belonging to VG */
 static struct volume_group _dummy_vg = {
-	.name = (char *) ORPHAN,
+	.name = (char *) "",
 };
 
 static void *_obj_get_vg(void *obj)
diff --git a/tools/pvchange.c b/tools/pvchange.c
index 1783bad80..c7a0ee714 100644
--- a/tools/pvchange.c
+++ b/tools/pvchange.c
@@ -171,7 +171,7 @@ static int _pvchange_single(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct physical_volume *pv,
 		if (!is_orphan(pv)) {
 			orig_vg_name = pv_vg_name(pv);
 			orig_pe_alloc_count = pv_pe_alloc_count(pv);
-			pv->vg_name = ORPHAN;
+			pv->vg_name = pv->fmt->orphan_vg_name;
 			pv->pe_alloc_count = 0;
 			if (!(pv_write(cmd, pv, NULL, INT64_C(-1)))) {
 				log_error("pv_write with new uuid failed "
diff --git a/tools/vgreduce.c b/tools/vgreduce.c
index 4b4dea48d..ccda5d96c 100644
--- a/tools/vgreduce.c
+++ b/tools/vgreduce.c
@@ -376,7 +376,7 @@ static int _vgreduce_single(struct cmd_context *cmd, struct volume_group *vg,
 	if (pvl)
 		list_del(&pvl->list);
 
-	pv->vg_name = ORPHAN;
+	pv->vg_name = vg->fid->fmt->orphan_vg_name;
 	pv->status = ALLOCATABLE_PV;
 
 	if (!dev_get_size(pv_dev(pv), &pv->size)) {